This week, we were joined by ScoopswithDannyMac.com reporter Andy Carroll and AAA Memphis Play-By-Play man Alex Coil to talk about all things Memphis and Springfield! Many names were discussed this week, including Josh Baez, Leo Bernal, Jimmy Crooks, Liam Doyle, Jurrangelo Cintje, Chase Davis, Rainiel Rodriguez, and MORE!
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Alex Coil (00:00)
When he’s out there throwing and being a jock and just dominating you, like he he he gets into a flow, he works quickly, and all of his stuff works. It it it it f fires in there, it feels like it’s ⁓ a turbo mode out of his hand and and he dominates people and that’s what he’s shown over his last three or four starts.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (00:26)
Welcome to the Viva El Birdos podcast. As always, I am your host, Jake Wood, and I am joined this week by fellow writer Gabe Simonds Today, ⁓ we are talking all things minor leagues with writer for scoops with dannymac.com, Andy Carroll, and triple A Memphis play-by-playman Alex Coil
So tonight I wanted to go ahead and start off with Alex. ⁓ the life of a triple A manager can be a cruel one because once a guy is, you know, ready and producing, he’s whisked up to the big leagues. So with both Jimmy Crooks and Blaze Jordan now in the show, is manager Ben Johnson’s star outfield Josh Baez the next in line?
You’re muted, Alex.
Alex Coil (01:09)
Yeah, it helps to to know technology. But ⁓ ha hot start, stay hot. But it like look, he he’s definitely the one that
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (01:11)
Great start. We’re we’re off and rolling.
Ha ha ha ha.
Alex Coil (01:18)
that i is i is showing the highest ceiling at the moment, that’s for sure. I I think ⁓ you know, one thing that I’ve I’ve mentioned with a with a number of guys, especially Jimmy Crooks, ⁓ you’d like to see a little bit more consistency out of Joshua Baez, some of the that swing and miss can can come and go and and play a big factor, a lot of multi strikeout games. It’s always gonna be there for him. It’s always gonna be there for for most power guys. But ⁓ man, when he when he gets a hold of one, it’s fun to watch, that’s for sure.
Gabe (01:46)
Alex, I’m Alex, I I gotta wonder, because a lot of people have been wondering about Blaze Jordan’s defense at third base, in your opinion, what does that what can we expect ⁓ longer term? He’s looked decent so far, but it’s been two games.
Andy Carroll (01:46)
Yeah.
Alex Coil (02:01)
Yeah, well obviously small sample size up at the big league level. I I can say a couple of things. Number one, like he takes a ton of pride in in defensive progression, a lot more than than people may ⁓ even think about. Like the amount of he works defensively, i you know, not as much as anybody does at the plate, but but he he puts in a lot of work there, takes pride in it. and look
Before his last start at third base at Triple A, he didn’t have an error all season at at the third base bag. He had more starts there by almost double digits at at third than he did at first this year and again had had no errors. The only two errors that he had in that last start were a hundred and five mile an hour line drive that he got a glove on, and then one where he threw it just slightly high for Leo Bernal and hit off of of Leo’s glove. And so both errors were charged to him.
⁓ obviously it’s a big step up to play third base at the Major League level. It’s a premium defensive position, especially with the barometer lately in the last five, seven years in the Cardinals organization of who was playing third base there. ⁓ are those shoes going to be filled? No. But Blaze Jordan is gonna put in the work to be a serviceable third baseman. I don’t think he’s going to be a hole there. ⁓ and I think, you know, part of
You saw a a two, three week span where Blaze didn’t play a lot of third base. Part of it may have been, okay, they wanted to see him more at first base and and so th there were some headlines out there, they’re moving him off third base. They don’t see him playable. But when you look at that, it was almost exact moment that Jimmy Crooks got called up to the big leagues. That means and of course Jimmy and Leo Bernal were starting the season ⁓ splitting catching reps and Leo would get some time at first base, which was a newer position for him.
At least playing consistently. So when Jimmy goes up to the big league level, especially before Pozo comes down and is able to report, Leo has to take over everyday catching duties, which creates a hole at first base, and Blaze had to had to play a lot of those innings. So I think that it was a little bit of both there, but he certainly put a lot of work, got the trust of of the front office and and everybody that in the developmental ranks that that obviously gave the approval to go play third base at the big league level.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (04:21)
Wanted to throw it over to our friend Andy. Andy, good evening to you. When you look at Springfield, you know, the rotation arms what really get your attention between Liam Doyle and Jurrangelo Cintje You know, how are those guys performing and progressing at Springfield? And do you think maybe our good friend Alex could be in line to see them in the near distant future? Not too distant future, I should say.
Andy Carroll (04:42)
Yeah, well real quick before I that first thanks for having me, Jake. And you know, if we do need a pinch third baseman, there was a guy named Jordan Walker who played a whole bunch of third base down here. So we can just, you know, move him right back over to where they were developing him as the third baseman of the future.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (04:52)
No, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no. Don’t even start that. No, no, we don’t endorse that here. No, no, no. Anyway, about Liam Doyle and Jurrangelo Cintje
Andy Carroll (04:59)
No, we do not.
Yeah, so you know, Li Liam is a guy that ⁓ you know, obviously arrived in Springfield late last year, ⁓ got a got a quick look in the fall, and then, you know, came in this season, you know, highly touted, number one prospect in the organization. ⁓ and you’re seeing flashes of obviously, you know, what you A A, he’s an ultra competitor. and as a personality, you know, it’s it’s been fun to get to know him ’cause he just does come out like
He just came out of a Boston area bar fight, you know, as as a as a guy when he comes out to talk to you. So he’s he’s a he’s the type of person on the mound that I think ⁓ you know, the Cardinals are attracted to that personality. And they, you know, speaking to Patrick Anderson about him, they’re like, we really want to embrace who he is, how he pitches. and so, you know, part of his player plan and the way that they’re working with him is to, you know, obviously help him develop a lot of those secondary pitches and then find out how he can be effective in the zone. Those are the two areas where he’s spending a lot of time.
And I spoke to him, you know, sp for the longest interview I had with him was early in the season. And he was really, you know, he was making an impression that ⁓ a lot of the pitches that he was throwing were with a purpose. So he’s like, I threw my sweeper a ton last night, right? And if he were in the SEC trying to get an out, you know, at Tennessee, you know, he’s probably going back to his fastball. But he’s trying to do what the organization is helping him develop those secondary pitches. He likes his curveball, his sweeper he’s not comfortable with yet.
But even as fastball, he hasn’t been able to command the way that you really, you know, need to at this level to succeed consistently. So he had a great month of May. He was holding batters to under a 200 batting average. ⁓ you know, but continuing to he’s his I think he’s about 19 pitches per inning, which is a little higher than what you’d like to see. He’s not very efficient. So, you know, the with with with better command, that efficiency will come. His stuff will play. So I think the Cardinals, you know, I don’t think you’ll
If you do see him in Memphis this year, it would be late in the season and after he really continues to p starts to starts to put together more consistent outings in Springfield. Cintje is a lot of fun to watch, man. Like that guy, Jurrangelo is is he’s he’s a interesting personality, speaks a bunch of different languages. I mean, just a very smart guy. Like he’s as you get to know him when you do see him, Alex, like he’s he he’s a very interesting person to talk to and to get to know. But also a guy who can pitch with both arms and has at Springfield this year.
I know going into the season, you know, there was the sense that they were gonna make him throw right-handed only, exclusively. ⁓ and and he’s he’s pitched picked his spots to use his you know, to to switch that glove and and go left-handed. But he did about a week or two ago strike out the same guy in a game once right-handed and then once left-handed. So you don’t see that very often. It’s been a lot of fun to watch him pitch. And I do think, you know, it’s it wouldn’t surprise me if he were called up before Liam Doyle. I think they’re they’re working on Liam. I mean, Liam’s the higher
you know, ceiling prospect, but I think you’ll see Jurrangelo probably get to Memphis first.
Gabe (07:52)
So, Alex, the the Cardinals fan base is clamoring for bullpen reinforcements from Memphis, and I’m curious, do you think Luis Gastelum Max Rajcic maybe Brycen Mautz well probably not Brycen Mautz ’cause they want to keep him starting, but do you think there are people in the Memphis bullpen right now that they would feel comfortable promoting, say, in a week?
Alex Coil (08:11)
Max Rajcic definitely had the the start of the season that would make that case next up. ⁓
i but you know, he’s gone through a little bit of a slump over those last two weeks. Of course he was named Cardinals Minor League pitcher of the month for for May, led the team in E R A and even qualified as a as a reliever to do so, just ’cause he he he used got used so much and and went multiple innings and was able to nail down five saves so far. On Luis’s side, I mean that guy’s change up is is unbelievable. ⁓ you know he’s
I I forget off the top of my head the the exact name of the reliever for the the Mariners ⁓ on the back end. but he trains with him in the off season and ⁓ like his ability to adapt and learn the pitch from from ⁓ guys at the major league level have made him that much more effective. It’s one of the best change ups a at the triple A level that we’ve seen in in a while since I’ve been here in Memphis and ⁓ you know, needs to to get a little bit more on the fastball, not necessarily more velocity or or anything, but sometimes
it’s a little fat and ⁓ g gets hit hard at times. but look, he he’s pretty dang gross when he is able to get to that change up and and works off of it quite a bit.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (09:25)
You know, since Jimmy Crooks was elevated to Saint Louis Alex, I’ll keep it going with you. You know, it seems like Leo Bernal has really taken his game to the next level since that promotion. You know, which of the top prospect backstops have you been more impressed by this season, you know, from your unique seat? Is it is it Jimmy Crooks or have you been more impressed with Leo Bernal ⁓ behind the plate this year?
Alex Coil (09:46)
I would have to say Jimmy, ⁓ just because ⁓ having ⁓ a baseline of me seeing him for a full season last year, ⁓ and knowing ⁓ okay, that was a good year. It was it was a very solid year, ultimately got him his major league call up. ⁓ but knowing what he needed to get better at.
⁓ and how he did that. Controlling the strike zone at the plate, ⁓ handling the the pitching staff behind the plate, right? ⁓ Memphis started the season thirteen and with him catching games. ⁓ and only lost a handful of games before he got called up ⁓ with him as the catcher. And so gaining trust ⁓ of the pitching staff and and being able to guide through guide guys through games, not only ⁓ to to get through through their high stuff, but when they’re struggling a little bit, he’s
The guy that is is a fantastic motivator behind the plate, knows what makes each guy tick, and and so he’s obviously done enough here at this level to to get the chance to to play ⁓ at least twice every time through the rotation at the up at the big leagues. On the Leo side, ⁓ his his highs are really good. Yeah, they’re they’re they’re fantastic. ⁓ but but you still want to see a little bit more consistency defensively. ⁓ obviously coming off of ⁓ a Rawlings
Gold glove ⁓ as as a minor league or a catcher, you’re expecting him to be unflappable and never make a single mistake and and throw at every single runner. There have been some some inconsistencies in and ⁓ in in his glove so far this year. I don’t know how much of that is, you know, he’s he’s learning or at least playing first base more than he ever has in his career, and and and how much of that is taking the mind off of the development ⁓ behind the plate.
I think it’s very good thing that that you’re as a catcher especially, you are developing a secondary position to play, especially if you want your bat to be in the lineup. ⁓ we saw that in the development of a lot of catchers’ career. the one that really sticks out to me is Buster Posey and and added a couple of more years to his career simply because he was able to develop into the first base ability toward the end. So I think that will help his staying power once he is able to get up there. But I think
Andy Carroll (11:56)
Mm.
Alex Coil (11:59)
⁓ he still has has some boxes to check here at Triple A and and and I think he will do so in some time though.
Gabe (12:07)
Sticking to backstops, Andy, ⁓ the Springfield has two really good backstops right now. One everybody knows Raniel Rodriguez, but also Ryan Campos is having a surprisingly good offensive season. ⁓ have you gotten to see much of Rodriguez yet? ⁓ or Campos and what are your thoughts on them?
Andy Carroll (12:23)
Yeah. So Rainiel got here. He’s played twenty three games at double A. ⁓ got called up when the team went on the road, so we had to wait for about a week to see him. But ⁓ you know, obviously his reputation precedes him as a nineteen year old getting to the double A level. ⁓ you know, you’re starting to see more of that, but it’s still pretty darn rare for a guy that age to get here. ⁓ and I think the the first thing that jumped out about the to me, you know, watching him play is it’s such a quiet load, real quick hands and just a natural hitter. And when I, you know, got to talk to him for the first time, he
He said, you know, I’m really spending a lot of time working defensively. He goes, hitting, I I know, I know how to hit. Which, you know, maybe is a little bit of teenage arrogance there. But ⁓ like I think that there’s he just has so much confidence in his ability, ⁓ even at this age, getting to this level that that his hands and his bat will play. And, you know, it it was an adjustment that you would expect. And I think that it’s gonna be ongoing. He’s he’s gonna be at this level probably for a little while. ⁓ but you know, he hit two home runs the other night, both pullside, you know.
shots over over the bullpen into the off the manual scoreboard and then one just to the left of it. And so you you can see just the raw, you know, talent that he has, but he’s also a fairly polished hitter for his age. And that’s really what stood out to the Cardinals when he came to the complex two years ago and had a tryout. It was just like this guy just hits, you know, like we’re we’re signing him today. So it was the complex down the Dominic Dominican that that that hosted the tryout for him. So yeah, he’s he’s very impressive. The Cardinals have mostly been, you know
having him catch, but he has ⁓ he’s also started a handful of games at first base. He’s been in the designated hitter spot. And so you know, Campos again also, yeah, offensively he’s had a great season. He handles the pitching staff really well. the Cardinals, you know, and maybe this is a question I’ll kind of turn back to to you guys, Gabe and Jake. Like when you look at the Cardinals depth at the catcher position, and you know, maybe this is an old baseball philosophy now, but there’s still still a lot of truth in that you want to build your team through the from through the middle out. So, you know, that’s catcher, short, second, center field, right?
And if you look at the Cardinals, they’ve got, you know, between Herrera, Crooks, and Pages those guys are all 27 and under. You know, they’re in their pre arb years. You’ve got, you know, Bernal, and then you’ve got Rodriguez. And it’s like, I I do think it’s going to be interesting to see whether I doubt it’s a deadline thing this year, but into the offseason, into next year’s deadline, how does the industry look at the Cardinals’ depth in that position? Who are the guys that they’re calling Heimblum and asking about? If you if the Cardinals start to look to add a piece here and there.
Is there a name that, you know, would make sense in a package? Because I do think that there’s they’re gonna have to find clarity in in that spot, but it’s a great position to have depth
Gabe (14:52)
I don’t think we know more than you do on that one. We’re we’re just as curious how the Cardinals are gonna handle the catchers ⁓ going forward because it’s it’s there’s a lot of them.
Andy Carroll (15:00)
It’s something to keep our eye on. I just think it’s it’s something it’s not it’s a position that’s desirable. It’s not, you know, it’s not common to have depth at that position. And I think, you know, that’s I would be I I’m interested to see how the over the next eighteen, twenty-four, thirty-six months the organization figures out how they’re gonna, you know, where they see that position going in the long term and how they’re gonna, you know, maybe use those assets wisely.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (15:22)
Yeah, I agree. I think
If I’m looking down the road, I still look at like, you know, where the organization is, you know, from like a third base position standpoint. And maybe perhaps the Cardinals look to where they have a little bit of surplus potentially behind the plate. Maybe they look for another young third baseman somewhere ⁓ to fit into the organization some because there’s really no long-term future third baseman in the organization currently, it feels like. Now I know that Jesus Baez is he’s still at high A, but that might be the closest thing to like a future at
third
base, but there’s nobody like Andy, what you’re getting to watch on a regular basis, or Alex what you’re getting to watch on a regular basis, from my standpoint that the Cardinals have longed unless you want to count I I don’t even know, because Nolan Gorman just made it to Memphis, and so that’s a whole other conversation in of itself. But if the Cardinals were looking to try to find a different way to use, you know, their their exa like this kind of falls into
You know, w you draft the best player available and then later on you figure out that problem. And so like the Cardinals have all of these great catchers. Now it’s getting to that point where eventually they’re gonna need to figure out that problem and find a way to y use that piece for another piece they may need in the future. That’s kinda how I look at it.
Alex Coil (16:38)
I think one of the best examples of y Andy brought up the point of of building your team through the middle. ⁓ Cardinals are the catching example right now of of the young core. But what the White Sox have done ⁓ and they have shortstop playing almost every single position, right? Well the exactly but but but in terms of the youth in and how young the White Sox are. ⁓ Myrath playing second ba second base, Antonacci who’s been a shortstop his entire life
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (16:54)
Padres too. Yep.
Yeah, for sure.
Alex Coil (17:07)
moving out to left field and that brings up a path for him to play up there. It’s a lot easier when you build through the middle, as Andy was saying, it’s easier to to be versatile, right? Because a center fielder can play any outfield position. A shortstop can play pretty much any position on the field, right? A catcher is easily transferred over to first base and depending on the arm, possibly can can pick it over a third as well. And so if you can find those guys in in the the
Obviously you just traded a a Brendan Donovan, but guys that can play multiple positions and and it just opens up so many other options for And I think that’s where you’re seeing the game go, especially with young talent. The White Sox are gonna take another shortstop one one overall this year too.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (17:50)
Great point. It it really is a great point, Alex, like you said. And I think that the Padres are the ones who you and I think that the White Sox are taking it that direction as well. But I think the Padres really started it. You look at Merrill and Tatis and Machado and you know Bogarts and Cronenworth and look all of those guys came up as shortstops until they couldn’t anymore. ⁓ and so I think that that really is like
When we talk to ⁓ Joe Doyle, who, you know, is very good ⁓ in terms of like the amateur side of things and he talked about like his conversations with the Cardinals and the way they’re looking at things and based off of, you know, how they were looking at it last year, it’s y they want shortstop, they want the hot the best, most athletic guys on the field that are transferable to other positions and that and as they move down that quote unquote defensive spectrum, you know, their defensive abilities are gonna start to play up and it’ll it’ll just bring a more athletic ⁓
side of of of style of play to their all-around game. Andy, I wanted to throw it back over to you really quick. You know, from a guy that was ⁓ that’s fresh to double A to a guy that’s been there for a while. Let’s talk about Chase Davis. He’s he’s been stuck at AA seemingly forever. You know, do you think he’s done enough in the first half of the season for a promotion? Cause I know Alex is gonna get the cupboard is gonna get really bare for him to watch here before too long if you know Chaim Bloom keeps promoting at the rate that he is.
Do you think that he’s he’s ready for that next challenge at Triple A, or is there another level to his game that you’re still kind of waiting for him to get to before you think he he earns that call?
Andy Carroll (19:23)
Yeah, so I think the answer is yes. I think there’s another level to his game, and I think that the Cardinals, you know, may he may even just need that change of scenery. ⁓ you know, I I I don’t I don’t know necessarily that that would unlock, you know, something that’s missing, but you know the I you know, kind of if you’ve you’ve got a large enough sample size at double A, and I think at this point we do, we we sort of see what we have. We have y you can see the player that you know, left handed power, ⁓ you know, plus defensively, plus arm, and he’s shown all of those things. You know, you you can see
Just all of the raw talent and ability. And I mean, the guy is is also pretty he’s pretty built. So you know, every time I talk to him though, like, you know, a lot of times you’ll talk to these guys. I I know when I I got to speak with Jordan Walker all the time, he would sit there and to talk hitting with you for 30 minutes. You know, here’s all the things I’m working on, here’s mechanically, all the stuff. Chase Davis has got a million dollar smile and he’s got the he’s he’s mastered the Bull Durham art of saying, you know, I’m here to help the ball club. So
I’ve not I haven’t gotten, you know, I I know from tea speaking to other people within the organization what they’re trying to work with him, you know, on on it’s more consistent contact. It’s he he draws a lot of walks, so he’s it’s not that he has bad pi plate discipline, but I think selecting the right pitches to swing at and you know and how to be aggressive in counts and and and those things are or what they’re working on, taking the ball the opposite way, you know, which he has shown signs of being able to do. You know, defensively he’s every bit ready for triple A and and probably higher than that.
⁓ but but the bat just has not consistently shown. It it’s shown flashes, he’s had games, he’s gone on spurts, ⁓ and then you’ll kinda look up and it’s like, well, you know, you’re right back to to to where you were after another week or two. He’s also been on the DL, so I think he last played May twenty ninth. So he the what the I’ve asked around, I didn’t get much information. Somebody did and they say it’s t hi hamstring tightness. That’s now about two weeks and the the Cardinals down here are very ⁓ they guard those injuries pretty closely when you ask about it. So
⁓ I you I don’t know when his expected timetable has come back. They don’t seem to think it’s serious, but at the same time it’s now been it was a seven day DL and it’s been longer than that. So I you know, it’ll be interesting. I think when he comes off the DL, probably likely to stay here, but I do think he’ll get to Memphis this year. Whether or not he’s his play has warranted it from like, we’ve he’s gotta be promoted, you know, we’ve gotta move him up. I think it might just as well be we kinda know what he’s done at double A. Let’s get him to triple A. Let’s get him a new scenery. you know, kind of see if that shakes things loose because he’s very talented.
but being able to consistently put it together has been a struggle.
Gabe (21:47)
Another player that has kind of been at the same place for a while, but it’s been because of control is Quinn Matthews. But the last few starts it looks like he maybe has figured it out a little bit. He hasn’t walked many guys. Do you think first off, what do you think has been causing his control issues and what can he do to like remedy that before he gets a promotion? ‘Cause I think the only reason he hasn’t been promoted is St. Luis is ’cause they haven’t had to add him to the forty man. I think if he was on the forty man, he might have gotten the Brycen Mods treatment already.
Alex Coil (22:15)
I I totally agree with that last point. as far as what was causing the control issues, there were a lot of variables that the Cardinals were ⁓ interested in and trying to figure out last season. That’s why you spent some time on the injured list ⁓ in in the I guess middle third of the season. ⁓
There was some some thought, maybe the the adjustment from double A to triple A, not only is there a level but also a a completely different baseball that you’re throwing. This year the philosophy has been okay, maybe we use that too much of as a as a crutch and and didn’t actually try try to treat the plan. ⁓ but I I the main thing that I have noticed and and completely honest, this is
It it’s just intent ⁓ and and confidence on the mound. When Quinn Matthews gets into a flow and has the ⁓ I know I’m better than you and I’m going to show you that I’m better than you, as opposed to, ⁓ my gosh, th things aren’t going right, I need to f why am I so bad? ‘Cause he is such a smart guy.
Stanford wanted to be investment banker, all that kind of stuff. Sometimes he he he starts to think a little bit too much. When he’s out there throwing and being a jock and just dominating you, like he he he gets into a flow, he works quickly, and all of his stuff works. It it it it f fires in there, it feels like it’s ⁓ a turbo mode out of his hand and and he dominates people and that’s what he’s shown over his last three or four starts.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (23:44)
Yeah, ⁓ you took my last question, Gabe. Gosh dang it. ⁓ let’s let’s let’s think about it from this perspective. I wanna end with you guys on on this note. ⁓ I want you to look d each look down a level and then pluck one player from the level below that you’re excited to see over the last three to four months of the season. So ⁓ Alex, I’ll let you go ahead and start real quick.
Gabe (23:48)
Yeah.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (24:10)
And somebody from Andy’s neck of the woods that you’re excited to hopefully pluck and see ⁓ firsthand at the end of this season, then Andy, you from from High A.
Alex Coil (24:22)
I am a pitching guy first and will always be a pitching guy first, especially in this ballpark, especially with some of the offense that we have seen. We’ve seen enough home runs, we’ve seen all of the ⁓ all of the good stuff offensively, consistent pitching and dominant pitching and especially as I was just mentioning with Quinn, the tenacity and you know, I don’t wanna s but the the I know I’m better than you and I’m going to go out and and k and and
And dominate you and impose my will on you, Liam Doyle. He brings all of that. some people affectionately called him a a a tweaker at Tennessee, which is just awesome. Like that that’s the type the type of college baseball pitcher that I want to take, ⁓ especially with with how much stuff he has. I wanna see that version on the mound. I wanna see that the bulldog there. And if the Redbirds can finish one game better than the Rochester Red Wings this week.
Wanna see him pitching in the International League Championship Series here at AutoZ?
Andy Carroll (25:24)
Yeah, so I’ll I’ll I’ll definitely answer the question, but just to kind of piggyback on your answer there, Alex, one of the things that’s been a lot of fun too, just in the early days of Raniel being up here with the double A club is to see Liam throwing to him, which has only happened ⁓ once or twice, I think. But I did ask Patrick Anderson about that. I said, you know, you’ve you’ve been around a bunch of different organizations. How often have you had a number one prospect in an organization be a pitcher or a catcher, and then the one right behind him, you know, form a battery at the same level? And he talked about ⁓ Salvador Perez and his time with the Royals and some of the pitching staff.
They had come up because you’re yeah, you’re right, it’s very rare. and so it’s kind of neat to see them start to, especially as you know, Liam’s really figuring out, you know, what’s gonna help make him ⁓ an effective you know pitcher at the big league level and working through some of those secondary pitches, to be able to do that with a catcher that may end up being that long-term piece. You know, I mean again as the Cardinals kind of figure out the puzzle pieces there at the catcher position, but it just wouldn’t be surprised if what’s kind of starting to form down here between those two lasts, you know, for a long time.
for it’s Tanner Franklin. I’ll I’ll stick with the pitching mode. I you know, and I guess the Tennessee the Tennessee pitchers. But yeah, you know, I mean it’s been interesting to see Peoria, which for forever that league has been such a hitter’s paradise that or I’m sorry, a pitcher’s paradise that now all of sudden it’s it’s been it’s been tough on pitchers in that league this year, which is is, you know, reverse of what we’ve seen for so many years. So to hit for the way he’s pitched down there, ⁓ you know, I I think it’s Springfield definitely one of the things that
I’m going off a little out of left field here, but that I I found interesting talking as we did with, you know, the organization higher ups a couple weeks ago, Jake, is hearing some of the chatter that in the draft they might be pr prioritizing hitting, which just kind of the first time I heard it, I thought, no, like we we need more pitching in the organization. I mean, that’s really what’s missing. If you look at, you know, the Cardinals even now at the big league level, like their offense is clicking and humming and you can see how that’s gonna play, you know, in the future and and and the likelihood that that’s gonna continue with those guys.
And you’re wanting to add, you know, as many pieces to that rotation as you can get. And then I started to look down through like, well, I listened to Larry Larry Day today on KMOX talking about there’s Cooper, you know, rehabbing. Tink’s getting back into it. you know, Brandon Clark from who came over in the sunny tr grade trade is is getting close. And then at the double A level, we’ve got so many left handers and Mason Molina, Liam Doyle, Braden Davis. you talk about change ups, we’ve got two of them here with Molina and Davis that just are ought are outstanding and awesome.
⁓ you know, and I just as I started to think, I was like, wow, you we would have a lot more pitching in the organization than I I guess I thought of. So, you know, Tanner’s another one of those guys, get him up to Springfield. it’ll be you know, a another piece to see him then having to pitch again in another league where it typically is really hard on pitchers. The Texas league is brutal. So it’s really where you start to see a pitcher, you know, kind of have to really face ad adversity for the first time in the professional career a lot. It’s it’s when you get to double A, that’s when you can show
you know, c if you can have success in the Texas League and those parks against those hitters that you’re for real and I’m looking forward to him getting here.
Alex Coil (28:16)
If I could, I wanna add two more names to the the pitching idea too. That the like who knows where they’re gonna factor into plans coming back. But Tekoah Roby and Sem Robberse as well, right? ⁓ so th there are there and you mentioned how many left handers, so it feels like the entire Memphis rotation right now is all left handed as well. So it’s it’s never bad to have enough south paws though.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (28:20)
Please.
Andy Carroll (28:27)
Yeah.
And Ixan Henderson also, you know, is a guy who’s on on the way back. I mean, they’re just yeah, I mean, like I I think I think I start at just as I started to kind of walk through to my brain, I’m like, you’re right. Like maybe and I think the with the pitching development, the way that they’ve started to kind of turn a corner on on how they develop pitchers in-house, maybe they are feeling a little bit confident about a lot of the art you know, that they don’t need they don’t need they don’t need to hit on every single name there, but I mean they can they can hit on enough of them that they that they can prioritize looking for that third baseman of the future or drafting that
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (28:40)
I think that’s another good one.
Alex Coil (28:43)
Yeah, that’s another
one. Yeah.
Andy Carroll (29:07)
you know, maybe two or three guys at the shortstop position and then determining how they’re gonna outlay those guys, you know, into the organizational plans.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (29:14)
Well, you guys are throwing out names. I want to have some fun and throw out some names. How about Pete Hansen? You know, Yhoiker Fajardo you know, what about ⁓ who is the other name that just popped into my head? Chenwei Lin? Like there there are so many names that are that are floating through the Cardinals, you know, pipeline right now that that can bring some real excitement. But because I want to play I also want Gabe to play this game. I want you to pluck a name from Alex’s team at Triple A and tell me who you want to see at the major league level.
Gabe (29:23)
Yeah. Take a bottle.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (29:42)
in the near future because, you know, we we kinda hinted at it that the bullpen has been ⁓ you know, d bad though this recent stretch, and so is is there a name out there that you’re kind of angling for to to see in St. Louis in the near future?
Gabe (30:00)
⁓ well bullpin is such a boring answer. ⁓ I kind of want to answer. Yeah.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (30:03)
I it could be a starter that you bump a starter
to the bullpen. You could do either or.
Gabe (30:08)
I wanna see Quinn Matthews, honestly. I’m ready for Quinn Matthews there to start. ⁓ I’m I’ve been waiting for that the walks to come down and I’m I’m ⁓ holding on tightly when ⁓ he he doesn’t walk batters in his start. I’m like, okay, let’s get him to St. Louis It’s it’s just because Memphis it’s hard to not walk guys for some reason. That’s what that’s what I’m looking for is ⁓ Quinn Matthews. Luis Gastelum probably on the reliever side if in an immediate sense, because I know he’s been pitching out of his mind for the last month. I think he’s got like one walk in his last seventeen innings, and that was
the main I mean he wasn’t really striking people out at the beginning of the year. But yeah, something clicked and something because he’s been unbelievable the last month.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (30:45)
Yeah, I think I’m right there with you. I think it’s it’s gotta be Quinn that I’m just a like an antsy to get up to the big leagues and see what that looks like. I think we’ve watched Kyle Leahy and ⁓ you know, Matthew Liberatore unfortunately. Like they’re these guys like Libby’s strikeout rate has gone up lately, but it’s still the the quality of contact against him is not getting any better, unfortunately. He’s still getting hit around. There’s these big snowball innings that’s getting away from him. And so I wonder if maybe those guys might just ultimately
you know, long term are earmarked for the bullpen. I would like to see, you know, like like we mentioned, Quinn Matthews get back to ⁓ get get his first deserved call up, maybe get Hunter Dobbins back you know, as soon as possible, get those two guys installed and kick Leahy and and Liberatore back to the bullpen. And that would be another way that you can kind of boost the bullpen as well and kind of strengthen that group because they seem to have start is starting to leak some oil. ⁓ so I I think maybe getting a couple guys whose stuff play up out of the bullpen might help that group as well as as Hunter
Chaim Bloom has, you know, shown now. I I I I’m I’m so like enthralled with what he’s going to do because I think over the last like two to three weeks he’s made moves that I did not anticipate him like like that took some stones to send down Victor Scott the second. It took some stones to send down Nolan Gorman. You know, I I did not think that he was going to do that. I and I’m so I I I said this to people before the season started, like
Take away every expectation you’ve had or come to know from the John Mozeliak era of building a roster because it’s gonna be different. And I fell right into the same trap that these guys are young, they’re gonna get runway, we’re gonna, you know, let them, you know, struggle, and they let them struggle for
⁓ you know, a a third of the season and then said, sorry boys, you’re not getting it done, and away they went and and new fresh pieces who are producing came up. So it’s it’s been really refreshing. I’ve seen a lot of people online, especially, ⁓ who are really excited about the aggressiveness that the Cardinals are showing right now. And Derek Goold just before we hopped on, I saw had had put out a piece. I didn’t have a chance to read it yet, but you know, the tagline said something about the Cardinal like Chaim Bloom is looking to be as aggressive with the
the the pitching as he has been recently with the hitting and so I would look for there to be some some potential movement coming up and down ⁓ in the near future. ⁓ I do want to go ahead and say, you know, once again you can hear ⁓ Alex on the call nightly for the Triple A Memphis Redbirds and you can read all of Andy’s fine work at scoopswithdannymac.com. Fellas, it was an absolute pleasure. thank you so much for for jumping on as always and you know we’ll look forward to catching up with you boys down the road.
Andy Carroll (33:28)
Yeah, let’s do it again. Thanks, Jake.
Alex Coil (33:30)
Thanks for having me.
Jake Wood (@woodbat28) (33:31)
Absolutely. Gabe, thanks for
Being here as always, really appreciate your your inclusion in this, and I love to not be able to have to do this alone. We’ll we miss Scott a little bit, just a little bit, but he’ll be back with us, you know, in a couple weeks, whenever we have a very special VIP guest sl slated to join us. Can’t give away those details just yet. but next week, ⁓ y I do want to let you guys know that we will be doing our annual Father’s Day episode with double-A pitcher Ryan Murphy and his dad will be joining us.
so make sure you are on the lookout for that. Thank you so much for joining us for this episode of the Viva El Birdos Podcast. Don’t forget to rate and review and hit that subscribe button so you’re notified every Monday morning when a new episode is released. We will talk to you all next week when once again we’re joined by Double A Pitcher Ryan Murphy and his father. Join the show for a special Father’s Day episode. Have a great week and let’s go cards.
