Vikings trade J.J. McCarthy to Giants for a fifth-round pick; Forness breaks the bust label, All-22 on Kyler Murray, and O’Connell’s second-half collapse. — Tyler Forness and Dave Stefano of The Real Forno Show (a Vikings 1st & SKOL production) opened with the news that Minnesota dealt 2024 first-rounder J.J. McCarthy to the New York Giants for an unconditional fifth-round pick. Forness said the lack of escalators “really tells you where the value was in the trade market,” comparing it to Antonio
Brown’s modest return at his peak. He argued the move “does right by McCarthy” by sending him to a team that once considered him at No. 6 and now needs a quarterback after Jackson Dart’s knee injury. Multiple matching reports from Alec Lewis and others about process inconsistency and off-field “eccentric” traits, Forness said, put McCarthy below the “hot crazy line”: talent existed, but “the play wasn’t good enough to match some of the behind the scenes stuff.” He called McCarthy “probably the biggest bust in Vikings history outside of maybe Demetrius Underwood,” while wishing him well as a backup to Jameis Winston.
The hosts then turned to Sunday’s ugly offensive tape versus Tampa Bay. Forness, after watching All-22, insisted “Kyler Murray was not bad” even if stats looked poor. Early chunk plays (dagger to Justin Jefferson, corner and post to Jordan Addison) worked; the second half collapsed because Todd Bowles’ heavy fronts and deep linebackers clogged the intermediate windows Kevin O’Connell’s scheme lives on. “O’Connell got his ass absolutely handed to him by Todd Bowles,” Forness said, citing missing mesh, shallow crosses, and spacing concepts that could have baited linebackers. Protection was mostly clean (fastest sack 5.3 seconds), three batted balls were not height-related, and miscommunications with T.J. Hockenson and Addison were chemistry issues seen with prior quarterbacks. The defense, meanwhile, is “historic”: Forness cited a ~71% blitz rate on Baker Mayfield dropbacks and called it the highest ever recorded.
Key Points:
- McCarthy traded Monday for a raw fifth-rounder; talks accelerated after Dart’s injury.
- No conditions surprised Forness; market simply wasn’t there once the league knew Minnesota was done.
- Giants offer a fresh start with John Harbaugh familiarity and Joe Schoen’s prior interest.
- Murray’s first-half 5-of-8, ~100 yards, TD vs. second-half drought blamed on play-calling, not the QB.
- Worst offensive success rate in 20 years; defense’s unique, repeatable blitz packages are the bright spot.
- Fifth-rounder may be flipped for a tight end (Josh Oliver torn bicep) or running back depth.
- Next: home vs. Dolphins and Malik Willis; Jefferson’s MRI “looked good.”
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So here’s questions for you:
What would you have done with McCarthy—and do you buy that Murray wasn’t the problem?
Are you buying the historic defense as a legitimate Super Bowl foundation, or do the offensive concerns worry you more than the 3-0 record suggests?
